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Biblical Justice U.S. – 2025-10-05 – ONLINE PORTAL
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Welcome to the Underground
Welcome to the online web portal for our virtual Underground Sessions event, “ENTER EVENT NAME”
If you are new with us, Underground Sessions is a live forum we hold several times a year where we discuss challenging and relevant issues in our world today. We do this with a spirit of grace and compassion while maintaining biblical faithfulness. Our events feature culturally relevant interviews with guest professionals specializing within the topic of discussion. Our chosen topics are often controversial. As such, we expect there will be aspects of disagreement. This is a good thing, as we hope we learn to disagree well. As you explore this web portal, we invite you to step into the tension as we create a space where respectful dialogue can happen, difficult topics addressed, and ultimately where Christ is exalted.
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EVENT AGENDA:
| Time | Length | Topic |
| 6:15 | 15 min | Music and Countdown |
| 6:30 | 4 min | Welcome! |
| 6:34 | 5 min | Interlude – Table chat #1 |
| 6:39 | 4 min | Topic Intro + Speaker |
| 6:43 | 20 min | Keynote: Katy Faust |
| 7:03 | 4 min | Interlude – Table Chat #2 |
| 7:07 | 40 min | Prepared Q & A- Bob and Katy Faust |
| 7:47 | 4 min | Interlude – Table Chat #3 |
| 7:51 | 30 min | Audience Q&A |
| 8:21 | 4 min | Closing Thoughts – Bob Erbig |
Resources
Books:
- Faust, Katy & Stacy Manning. Them Before Us: Why We Need A Global Children’s Rights Movement.
- Gray Connors, Stephanie. Conceived By Science: Thinking Carefully and Compassionately about Infertility and IVF.
- Gray, Stephanie. Love Unleashes Life: Abortion and the Art of Communicating Truth.
- Marquardt, Elizabeth. Between Two Worlds: The Inner Lives of Children of Divorce.
- Rae, Scott. Moral Choices: An Introduction to Ethics.
- Erbig, Bob & Dave Hentschel. A Beautiful Mess: Coming From a Dysfunctional Family Doesn’t Destine You For A Dysfunctional Life.
- Matthew Arbo. Infertility. Walking Through Infertility: Biblical, Theological, and Moral Counsel for Those Who Are Struggling (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2017).
Web Sites
- Them Before Us: A comprehensive website that deals with issues related to children’s rights in the family. There are stories and articles highlighted here: https://thembeforeus.com/
- Public Discourse: An online journal that moral foundations in free societies. They assert that the second pillar of decent society is the “institution of the family, which is built upon the comprehensive sexual onion of man and woman.” They have an excellent section on issues related to sexuality and the family, as well as the human person: https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/
- CanaVox: This is a marriage movement that offers reading groups to friends who support the historic understanding of marriage. The website offers reading lists and helpful videos: https://canavox.com/
- ERLC: The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptists is an excellent resource on marriage, family and ethical issues: https://erlc.com/
- The Colson Center’s “BreakPoint”: A prime resource for articles of culture and worldview issues. They also feature the popular “BreakPoint” podcast which tackles the latest issues in the news: https://www.breakpoint.org/
- Think Biblically: This is a blog/podcast featuring Drs. Scott Rae and Sean McDowell from Biola University. They tackled topics from a Biblical lens as they think about faith and culture: https://www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically
- The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network: The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network (CBC) addresses bioethical issues that most profoundly affect our humanity, especially issues that arise in the lives of the most vulnerable among us. https://www.cbc-network.org/
- First Choice Women’s Resource Center: A partner ministry of Millington Baptist which ministers to families. First Choice Women’s Resource Centers exists to encourage and equip women and men to make informed pregnancy decisions. We do not benefit financially from any decision a client makes and we do not charge for our services. We believe that women and men are capable of making their own choices when given accurate information. https://1stchoice.org/
Videos
- What Would You Say? Katy Faust, “Do Children’s Rights Override Parental Rights?” https://whatwouldyousay.org/do-childrens-rights-override-parental-rights/
- What Would You Say? Katy Faust, “Happily Divorced vs. Unhappily Married—Which is better for kids?” https://whatwouldyousay.org/happily-divorced-vs-unhappily-married-which-is-better-for-kids/
- What Would You Say? Katy Faust, “Is Surrogacy Just Like Adoption?” https://whatwouldyousay.org/is-surrogacy-just-like-adoption/
- What Would You Say? Katy Faust, “Are Reproductive Technologies Good?” https://whatwouldyousay.org/are-reproductive-technologies-a-good-way-to-help-people-have-babies/
- What Would You Say? Katy Faust, “Modern Family: Are the Kids Really Fine?” https://whatwouldyousay.org/modern-family-are-the-kids-really-fine/
- Upstream Podcast: “Making Babies Without Sex.” Interview with Stephanie Gray Connors. https://upstreamcc.libsyn.com/making-babies-without-sex-stephanie-gray-connors
- Think Biblically Podcast: “New Data on Same Sex Parenting,” with Walter Schumm. https://www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically/2021/new-data-on-same-sex-parenting
- Think Biblically Podcast: “Divorce in the Culture and the Church,” with Wayne Grudem. https://www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically/2020/divorce-in-culture-and-church
- The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network: “Anonymous Father’s Day,” Documentary (43 mins). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W87u4OhOcdo&list=PLjd_6HQBYOi_MsQwJoYxLqd8LKp3KbsMk&index=2
Articles
- Breakpoint: “Surrogacy in the Time of War.” https://www.breakpoint.org/surrogacy-in-the-time-of-war/
- Breakpoint: “We Need To Talk About Assisted Reproduction.” https://www.breakpoint.org/we-need-to-talk-about-assisted-reproduction/
- Breakpoint: “No Fault Divorce Ignores Data, Science and Children.” https://www.breakpoint.org/no-fault-divorce-avoids-data-and-harms-children/
- Breakpoint: “Redefining ‘Parent’ Is Bad for Kids.” https://www.breakpoint.org/redefining-parent-is-bad-for-kids/
- Public Discourse: “On Fatherly Figures,” by Phillip Dolitsky. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2022/01/79653/
- Public Discourse: “How Surrogacy Arrangements Fail Children,” by Seow Hon Tan. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2021/02/74041/
- Public Discourse: “We Are Real Parents, Too: Our Adoption Story,” by Mariana and Alfredo. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2021/02/73796/
- The Gospel Coalition: “How IVF Can Be Morally Right,” by Wayne Grudem. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/ivf-morally-right/
- The Gospel Coalition: “Breaking Evangelicalism Silence on IVF,” By Matthew Lee Anderson & Andrew T. Walker. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/evangelicalisms-silence-ivf/
- ERLC: “Divorce and The Good of The Children,” https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/divorce-and-the-good-of-the-children/
- ERLC: “Five Facts about Marriage in America,” by Joe Carter. https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/5-facts-about-marriage-in-america/
- Should Singles Adopt? Redeeming Brokenness Instead of Creating It. https://www.breakpoint.org/should-singles-adopt-redeeming-brokenness-instead-of-creating-it/
About the speakers
Guest Speaker
Katy Faust
Katy Faust is the Founder of Them Before Us, the only organization solely devoted to defending children’s rights in family structure. She did her undergraduate degree in Political Science and Asian Studies at St. Olaf College and then received a Fulbright scholarship to Taiwan. Her fluency in Mandarin assisted her when she worked with the largest Chinese adoption agency in the world. In 2012 Katy began blogging about why marriage is a matter of social justice for kids. Her articles have appeared in USA Today, Public Discourse, LifeSite News, and The Federalist and The Daily Signal. She has filed three amicus briefs supporting children’s rights and advocated for the rights of children with lawmakers in the US and abroad as well as at the United Nations. She currently appears in a video series called Dear Katy which offers advice on how to live sexual integrity in the midst of morally permissive cultures. She is married and the mother of four children, the youngest of whom is adopted from China.
Moderator
Pastor Bob Erbig
Bob Erbig is the Lead Pastor for Preaching, Family, Life and Mission at Millington Baptist Church. Bob has a particular passion to equip Christians to engage culture and worldview issues. He oversees the Underground Sessions ministry and is always excited to have a good conversation on a challenging issue. Along with his co-pastor, Dave Hentschel, he is the author of the book A Beautiful Mess, which speaks to dysfunctional family issues in the OT book of Genesis. Bob received his Master of Divinity degree from Denver Seminary and has been married to his wife, Amanda, for 8 years and they have three children.
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CONTEND-Resist-the-Drift WEBINAR – 2025 – ONLINE PORTAL
Welcome | Main Sessions | Short Sessions | Breakout Sessions
Main Sessions
Welcome Address
Progressive Christianity
Parenting & Social Media
"Live Your Truth"
Critical Theory & Social Justice Ideology
Round Table Q&A
Sunday Morning
Welcome Address
The Contend Conference
Something is happening in our world … can you feel it? Do you see it? It’s not surprising if you don’t. The change is slow, almost unnoticeable. Like a swimmer floating in the ocean, the waves can carry you far from shore. It doesn’t feel like you’ve moved until you open your eyes and look.
Culturally speaking, this “drift” has been happening for a long time. However, recent events have caused people to open their eyes and see how far the waves have taken us. What was once considered truth is now questioned. People we work with, go to school with, and live near have no understanding of the Gospel and the truths of the Bible. Their view of Jesus is skewed. These assumptions have made their way into the church. Leaders and institutions we once trusted … have drifted. RESIST THE DRIFT
For God’s Glory,
Pastor Bob Erbig
Biography: Bob serves as Lead Pastor: Preaching, Family Life and Missions at Millington Baptist Church in Basking Ridge, NJ. He is a graduate of Eastern University and Denver Seminary. He and his wife Amanda enjoy three children, two daughters and a son.
Progressive Christianity
Progressive Christianity
Alisa Childers: In this talk, Alisa will walk the audience through the history, key beliefs, and key figures of the movement of progressive Christianity, and ultimately show how progressive Christianity is at odds with historic Christianity and even disagrees with Jesus on what the Bible is, what Jesus accomplished on the cross, and the definition of the gospel.
Biography: Alisa Childers is a wife, mom, author, and speaker. She was a member of the award-winning CCM recording group ZOEgirl. She is a popular speaker at apologetics and Christian worldview conferences. She is the author of Another Gospel? and Live Your Truth and Other Lies. She has been published at the Gospel Coalition, Crosswalk, the Stream, For Every Mom, Decision Magazine, and the Christian Post.
Parenting & Social Media
Parenting & Social Media
Jason Thacker Social media is a tool that can be used for both good and ill, but also is profoundly shaping every aspect of our hearts, minds, and souls. Recognizing this reality is one of the key steps in raising up the next generation in the pursuit of wisdom and virtue. We need more than simple tips and tricks on how to use technology better as we recognize that these tools have become one of the primary ways that we are being discipled today and transformed by the patterns of this world. Learn how to think deeply about the nature of these tools that never leave our side and how we might practically equip the next generation to wisely engage them as they seek to follow Jesus in a digital age.
Biography: Paul is an Associate Professor of Philosophy of Religion and director of the M.A. Philosophy of Religion program at Palm Beach Atlantic University. Gould earned his doctorate in philosophy from Purdue University. He is the author or editor of ten scholarly and popular-level books including Cultural Apologetics, Philosophy: A Christian Introduction, and The Story of the Cosmos. He has been a visiting scholar at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School’s Henry Center.
"Live Your Truth"
“Live Your Truth”
Alisa Childers Popular slogans like “live your truth,” “follow your heart,” “you are enough” “you are the boss of you” and “you’re perfect just as you are” flood our social media feeds. In many cases, even materials marketed as “Christian” promote these ideas. But are they biblical? In this talk, Alisa will walk the audience through 3-5 cultural lies, demonstrate the bad thinking underneath them, and then turn to the Bible for a much better story.
Biography: Alisa Childers is a wife, mom, author, and speaker. She was a member of the award-winning CCM recording group ZOEgirl. She is a popular speaker at apologetics and Christian worldview conferences. She is the author of Another Gospel? and Live Your Truth and Other Lies. She has been published at the Gospel Coalition, Crosswalk, the Stream, For Every Mom, Decision Magazine, and the Christian Post.
Critical Theory & Social Justice Ideology
Critical Theory & Social Justice Ideology
Neil Shenvi Critical theory and its expression in fields such as critical race theory, critical pedagogy, and queer thery are having a profound impact on our culture. Contemporary critical theory’s ideas about race, class, gender, identity, and justice have dramatically shaped how people think, act, and view one another—in Christian and secular spheres alike.
Biography: Neil Shenvi is an apologist, author and follower of Jesus Christ. He has written two books: Why Believe? and Critical Dilemma. Neil has an A.B. in chemistry from Princeton and a PhD in theoretical chemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. He worked as a research scientist at Yale University and Duke University and has published over thirty peer-reviewed scientific papers. In addition, his writings on critical theory have been published by the Journal of Christian Legal Thought, the Gospel Coalition, Eikon, Ratio Christi, and the Liberty University Law Review, among others. He is married and currently homeschools his four children.
Round Table Q&A
Saturday Evening Round Table Q&A
Join us for a thought-provoking Saturday night roundtable Q&A, hosted by Bob Erbig, featuring Neil Shenvi, Alisa Childers, and pre-recorded insights from Jason Thacker. Throughout the weekend, attendees submitted pressing questions on faith, culture, and worldview, and this session brings their answers to the forefront. Don’t miss this engaging discussion as our panelists tackle some of the most important issues facing Christians today!
Sunday Morning
The Gospel as Evidence that Christianity is True
Neil Shenvi closed out the weekend with a powerful sermon titled The Gospel as Evidence That Christianity Is True. Anchoring his message in Romans 3, he unpacked how the gospel itself serves as compelling evidence for the truth of Christianity. With clarity and conviction, Shenvi presented the depth of our need for salvation and the incredible grace found in Christ. Don’t miss this inspiring and thought-provoking conclusion to the weekend!
Resisting The Drift for Teens
Resisting the Drift in our Spiritual Lives
Gospel Message
Resisting The Drift for Teens
Is It Worth It?
Johnny Graves
In this powerful talk, Johnny Graves challenges both teens and their parents to consider the question: Is it worth it? As young people face increasing pressure to conform to culture, following Jesus requires courage and conviction. Anchored in Daniel 6, Johnny unpacks the story of Daniel’s unwavering faith and what it means for teens navigating today’s world. Whether you’re a student striving to stand firm or a parent seeking to support your child’s faith, this message will inspire and equip you to pursue Christ no matter the cost.
Resisting the Drift in our Spiritual Lives
Am I Drifting Spiritually?
Dave Hentschel
In this insightful talk, Dave Hentschel addresses the reality of spiritual drift—how easily we can slowly slip away from a close walk with God without even realizing it. He unpacks the signs of drifting and offers practical ways to stay anchored in our faith. Whether you feel stagnant in your spiritual life or simply want to stay intentional in your walk with Christ, this message will encourage and equip you to remain steadfast.
Gospel Message
Jesus is the Answer for the Drift
Noah Graves
Noah Graves closed out our Saturday Night with a powerful short talk on the power of the Gospel and how following Jesus is the only true way we can resist the drift.
Breakout Sessions
Street Level Guide to Morality
Addressing The Realities of Sex Trafficking
The Gospel Across Cultural Boundaries
Resisting The Drift for Teens: Breakout
Street Level Guide to Morality
Street Level Guide to Morality
Steve DiSebastian
This session focused on understanding the difference between a calling and your divinely designed purpose. Once we get this paradigm shift, it can change our life today and forever—as well as how we represent our faith to others.
Addressing The Realities of Sex Trafficking
Addressing the Realities of Sex Trafficking
Adrienne Livingston
The purpose of this session is to delve beneath the surface of our world and uncover the harsh realities of sex trafficking. By its very nature, sex trafficking is deceptive, often hiding in plain sight. Three key factors contribute to this problem:
Perpetrators Disguise Themselves: Those who commit these crimes often appear as “wolves in sheep’s clothing,” making it difficult to identify them.
Consumers’ Blindness: Driven by lust, consumers are often unable to recognize their role in trafficking, choosing to see only what they want to see.
The Myth of Choice: The misconception that the sex industry operates on choice and free will further obscures the truth.
In this session, we will explore God’s heart for justice, discuss ways to prevent sex trafficking, and consider how we can best respond to this grave issue.
The Gospel Across Cultural Boundaries
The Gospel Across Cultural Boundaries
Alfonse Javed:
Have you struggled to share your faith with someone of a different culture? Do you have friends who are Muslim or Hindu? This session will help us understand how the complexity of culture enables the gospel to spread powerfully within a culture. It will also explain why the Gospel message does not “jump” easily across cultural boundaries. At this end of this session, you will be able to articulate what culture is, how to understand it, and practices that facilitate the jump across barriers that have long obstructed the advance of the gospel among the least evangelized.
Resisting The Drift for Teens: Breakout
If You’re Not Driftin’ You’re Drivin’
Andy Imbimbo:
In a culture sprinting away from the Gospel, teens are bombarded with conflicting messages about identity, truth, and purpose. “Resisting the Drift for Teens” is about anchoring your life in Jesus amidst all this chaos. This session will equip teens to recognize the culture’s pull, stand firm on the authority of Scripture, and experience how the supremacy of Christ transforms everything. Teens will discover how to live boldly for Jesus, even when the world says you’re missing out..
Resources
- The Apologetics Study Bible.
- Bock, Darrell. Cultural Intelligence: Living For God In A Diverse, Pluralistic World.
- Cannon, Teasi. Lord, Where’s My Calling?
- Cannon, Teasi. My Big Bottom Blessing.
- Childers, Alisa. Live Your Truth And Other Lies.
- Childers, Alisa. Another Gospel.
- Crain, Natasha. Faithfully Different.
- Erbig, Bob & David Hentschel. A Beautiful Mess.
- Ferrer, Hillary Morgan, ed. Mama Bear Apologetics.
- Gould, Paul. Cultural Apologetics: Renewing The Christian Voice, Conscience, and Imagination in a Disenchanted World.
- Gould, Paul. A Good and True Story: Eleven Clues To Understand The Universe and Your Place In It.
- Gray, Stephanie. Love Unleashes Life: Abortion and the Art of Communication.
- Koukl, Greg. Tactics.
- Kruger, Michael. The Ten Commandments of Progressive Christianity.
- McDowell, Sean, ed. A New Kind of Apologist.
- Mittleberg, Mark. Contagious Faith.
- Morely, Brian. Mapping Apologetics.
- Trueman, Carl. Strange New World.
- Paul Gould: https://www.paul-gould.com/
- Two Tasks Institute: https://www.twotasksinstitute.org/
- Darrell Bock: http://darrellbock.com/
- Hendricks Center for Cultural Engagement: https://hendrickscenter.dts.edu/
- Teasi Cannon: https://www.teasicannon.com/
- Mama Bear Apologetics: https://mamabearapologetics.com/
- Women in Apologetics: https://womeninapologetics.com/
- The Colson Center for Christian Worldview: https://www.colsoncenter.org/
- The Table Podcast (Bock): https://voice.dts.edu/tablepodcast/
- The Eudo Podcast (Gould): https://www.twotasksinstitute.org/category/season-1/
- Think Biblically: https://www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically
- Mama Bear Apologetics: https://mamabearapologetics.com/listen/
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Welcome to the Underground
Welcome to the online web portal for our virtual Underground Sessions event, “What About Race? A Conversation on Social and Biblical Justice.” If you are new with us, Underground Sessions is a live forum we hold several times a year where we discuss challenging and relevant issues in our world today. We do this with a spirit of grace and compassion while maintaining biblical faithfulness. Our events feature culturally relevant interviews with guest professionals specializing within the topic of discussion. Our chosen topics are often controversial. As such, we expect there will be aspects of disagreement. This is a good thing, as we hope we learn to disagree well. As you explore this web portal, we invite you to step into the tension as we create a space where respectful dialogue can happen, difficult topics addressed, and ultimately where Christ is exalted.
At this event, we are partnering with The Colson Center to highlight their “Colson Fellows” program. People who enroll in this program will learn that the Gospel isn’t a formula you apply to your life; it’s the Story you’re meant to inhabit. Colson Fellows take a deep dive into the Christian worldview and become the kind of believer who understands how creation, fall, redemption, and restoration all go together to form the only true Story of the world. And then live it here and now. The program is a ten-month course that takes you on a carefully curated journey to understanding the times and knowing what to do in community with like-minded people.
You can find more information at their website: https://colsonfellows.org/our-why/
Watch this video to get a feel of what it means to be a Colson Fellow:
Event Agenda
EVENT AGENDA:
| Time | Length | Topic |
| 6:15 | 15 min | Countdown Timer |
| 6:30 | 2 min | Welcome Online! |
| 6:32 | 6 min | Colson Fellows |
| 6:38 | 4 min | Group Conversation #1 “Why is race a difficult topic to discuss?” |
| 6:42 | 2 min | Speaker Intro |
| 6:44 | 30 min | Keynote “The Great Awokening” – Monique Duson |
| 7:14 | 3 min | Group Conversation #2 “What is social justice? Is it biblical?” |
| 7:17 | 45 min | Panel Discussion “A Conversation about Social and Biblical Justice” – Bob Erbig, Monique Duson, Krista Bontrager |
| 8:02 | 3 min | Group Conversation #3 “What are the components for racial unity?” |
| 8:05 | 25 min | Audience Q&A |
| 8:30 | 4 Min | Closing Thoughts – Bob Erbig |
Resources
Articles:
- Trueman, Carl. “Evangelicals and Race Theory”
- Keller, Tim. “A Biblical Critique of Secular Justice and Critical Theory”
- Duson, Monique. “The Father, Son, & Anti-Racism”, (A Critique of Ibram Kendi’s, How To Be An Anti-Racist)
- Mohler, Albert. “Black Lives Matter: Affirm the Sentence, Not the Movement”
Books:
- Sowell, Thomas. Discriminations and Disparities (New York: Hachette Book Group, 2019).
- Steele, Shelby. White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed The Promise of The Civil Rights Era (New York: Harper, 2006).
- Mason, Eric. Woke Church (Chicago: Moody, 2018).
- Kidd, Thomas. American History (Nashville: B & H, 2019).
- Allen, Scott. Why Social Justice Is Not Biblical Justice(Grand Rapids, MI: Credo House Publishers, 2020).
- Giboney, Justin. Compassion and Conviction: The AND Campaign’s Guides to Faithful Civic Engagement (Downer’s Grove, IL: IVP, 2020).
- Lindsay, James and Helen Pluckrose. Cynical Theories (Durham, NC: Pitchstone Publishing, 2020).
- McPherson, Miles. The Third Option: Hope For A Racially Divided Nation (New York: Howard Books, 2018).
- Keller, Timothy. Generous Justice (New York: Riverhead Books, 2012). (Chicago: Moody, 2010).
- Rah, Soong Chan. “Many Colors: Cultural Intelligence for a Changing Church (Chicago: Moody, 2010)”
- Yancey, George. Beyond Racial Gridlock: Embracing Mutual Responsibility (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2006).
- Newbell, Trillia. United: Captured by God’s Vision for Diversity (Chicago: Moody Publishers, 2014).
- Tisby, Jemar. The Color of Compromise (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2019).
- Williams, Thaddeus. Confronting Injustice Without Compromising Truth (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020).
Video:
- “What is Systemic Injustice?” with Dr. Pat Sawyer
- “Is Critical Race Theory Compatible with Christianity?” Debate between Neil Shenvi and Rasool Berry
- The Colson Center, What Would You Say? Videos—“Is Critical Theory Biblical?
- “A Biblical Response to Social Justice: A Conversation with Thaddeus Williams” Hosted by Sean McDowell
- “Zacchaeus and the Case for Reparations”—Theology Mom Podcast, Krista Bontrager
- “MLK vs BLM”—All The Things Podcast, Monique Duson & Krista Bontrager
Organizations:
About the speakers
Chantal Monique Duson
Monique has a background in social service and children’s ministry. She has worked with a diverse array of under-served communities.
Monique worked as a Missionary to South Africa for over 4 years, serving children and teachers impacted by drugs, violence, and trauma.
Monique spent 2 decades advocating for Critical Race Theory (CRT), but through a series of events began to see the contradictions of CRT with the historic Christian worldview. She is now convinced that CRT is not the best way to achieve racial unity and actively speaks out against the use of CRT within the church. Monique’s vision is to promote a vision for racial healing based on the historic Christian worldview.
Monique has a BA in Sociology from Biola University. She is working on a MA in Theology from Talbot School of Theology.
Center for biblical unity
Krista Bontrager
Krista is the Scholar Community Program Director. She earned a BA in communications from Biola University and master of arts degrees in theology and Bible exposition from Talbot School of Theology. Krista’s passion lies in teaching people about Christianity’s great truths. She also oversees Reasons Institute and is the author of the small-group study The Bigger Picture on Creation and coauthor of the booklet Psalm 104: In Wisdom You Made Them All.
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Welcome to the Underground
Welcome to the online web portal for our virtual Underground Sessions event, “What About Race? A Conversation on Social and Biblical Justice.” If you are new with us, Underground Sessions is a live forum we hold several times a year where we discuss challenging and relevant issues in our world today. We do this with a spirit of grace and compassion while maintaining biblical faithfulness. Our events feature culturally relevant interviews with guest professionals specializing within the topic of discussion. Our chosen topics are often controversial. As such, we expect there will be aspects of disagreement. This is a good thing, as we hope we learn to disagree well. As you explore this web portal, we invite you to step into the tension as we create a space where respectful dialogue can happen, difficult topics addressed, and ultimately where Christ is exalted.
At this event, we are partnering with The Colson Center to highlight their “Colson Fellows” program. People who enroll in this program will learn that the Gospel isn’t a formula you apply to your life; it’s the Story you’re meant to inhabit. Colson Fellows take a deep dive into the Christian worldview and become the kind of believer who understands how creation, fall, redemption, and restoration all go together to form the only true Story of the world. And then live it here and now. The program is a ten-month course that takes you on a carefully curated journey to understanding the times and knowing what to do in community with like-minded people.
You can find more information at their website: https://colsonfellows.org/our-why/
Watch this video to get a feel of what it means to be a Colson Fellow:
Event Agenda
EVENT AGENDA:
| Time | Length | Topic |
| 6:15 | 15 min | Countdown Timer |
| 6:30 | 2 min | Welcome Online! |
| 6:32 | 6 min | Colson Fellows |
| 6:38 | 4 min | Group Conversation #1 “Why is race a difficult topic to discuss?” |
| 6:42 | 2 min | Speaker Intro |
| 6:44 | 30 min | Keynote “The Great Awokening” – Monique Duson |
| 7:14 | 3 min | Group Conversation #2 “What is social justice? Is it biblical?” |
| 7:17 | 45 min | Panel Discussion “A Conversation about Social and Biblical Justice” – Bob Erbig, Monique Duson, Krista Bontrager |
| 8:02 | 3 min | Group Conversation #3 “What are the components for racial unity?” |
| 8:05 | 25 min | Audience Q&A |
| 8:30 | 4 Min | Closing Thoughts – Bob Erbig |
Resources
Articles:
- Trueman, Carl. “Evangelicals and Race Theory”
- Keller, Tim. “A Biblical Critique of Secular Justice and Critical Theory”
- Duson, Monique. “The Father, Son, & Anti-Racism”, (A Critique of Ibram Kendi’s, How To Be An Anti-Racist)
- Mohler, Albert. “Black Lives Matter: Affirm the Sentence, Not the Movement”
Books:
- Sowell, Thomas. Discriminations and Disparities (New York: Hachette Book Group, 2019).
- Steele, Shelby. White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed The Promise of The Civil Rights Era (New York: Harper, 2006).
- Mason, Eric. Woke Church (Chicago: Moody, 2018).
- Kidd, Thomas. American History (Nashville: B & H, 2019).
- Allen, Scott. Why Social Justice Is Not Biblical Justice(Grand Rapids, MI: Credo House Publishers, 2020).
- Giboney, Justin. Compassion and Conviction: The AND Campaign’s Guides to Faithful Civic Engagement (Downer’s Grove, IL: IVP, 2020).
- Lindsay, James and Helen Pluckrose. Cynical Theories (Durham, NC: Pitchstone Publishing, 2020).
- McPherson, Miles. The Third Option: Hope For A Racially Divided Nation (New York: Howard Books, 2018).
- Keller, Timothy. Generous Justice (New York: Riverhead Books, 2012). (Chicago: Moody, 2010).
- Rah, Soong Chan. “Many Colors: Cultural Intelligence for a Changing Church (Chicago: Moody, 2010)”
- Yancey, George. Beyond Racial Gridlock: Embracing Mutual Responsibility (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2006).
- Newbell, Trillia. United: Captured by God’s Vision for Diversity (Chicago: Moody Publishers, 2014).
- Tisby, Jemar. The Color of Compromise (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2019).
- Williams, Thaddeus. Confronting Injustice Without Compromising Truth (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020).
Video:
- “What is Systemic Injustice?” with Dr. Pat Sawyer
- “Is Critical Race Theory Compatible with Christianity?” Debate between Neil Shenvi and Rasool Berry
- The Colson Center, What Would You Say? Videos—“Is Critical Theory Biblical?
- “A Biblical Response to Social Justice: A Conversation with Thaddeus Williams” Hosted by Sean McDowell
- “Zacchaeus and the Case for Reparations”—Theology Mom Podcast, Krista Bontrager
- “MLK vs BLM”—All The Things Podcast, Monique Duson & Krista Bontrager
Organizations:
About the speakers
Chantal Monique Duson
Monique has a background in social service and children’s ministry. She has worked with a diverse array of under-served communities.
Monique worked as a Missionary to South Africa for over 4 years, serving children and teachers impacted by drugs, violence, and trauma.
Monique spent 2 decades advocating for Critical Race Theory (CRT), but through a series of events began to see the contradictions of CRT with the historic Christian worldview. She is now convinced that CRT is not the best way to achieve racial unity and actively speaks out against the use of CRT within the church. Monique’s vision is to promote a vision for racial healing based on the historic Christian worldview.
Monique has a BA in Sociology from Biola University. She is working on a MA in Theology from Talbot School of Theology.
Center for biblical unity
Krista BontragerKrista is the Scholar Community Program Director. She earned a BA in communications from Biola University and master of arts degrees in theology and Bible exposition from Talbot School of Theology. Krista’s passion lies in teaching people about Christianity’s great truths. She also oversees Reasons Institute and is the author of the small-group study The Bigger Picture on Creation and coauthor of the booklet Psalm 104: In Wisdom You Made Them All.
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Welcome
Session ONE
Session TWO
Session THREE
Underground
Sunday
Welcome
The Contend Conferance
Greetings Contenders,
In recent years, Christians are encountering a hostile cultural climate. Our faith, once the bedrock of society, has lost respect. People are not indifferent towards Christians—they are indignant, both as a people and the beliefs we hold. Attacks have come even from within our ranks. And yet, the New Testament letter of Jude exhorts us to CONTEND for this Christian faith. What are we to do?
This event is part of our Underground Sessions ministry, which seeks to model and equip Christians to have conversations in tough areas, particularly politics and culture. The focus of this weekend was to equip believers in the area of APOLOGETICS, so they can respond with love, grace, and boldness to the challenges of the day. On Saturday evening, we put this into practice by hosting an Underground Sessions event answering the toughest questions of today’s culture. The word, “contend” is both a military and athletic term—it implies a struggle. Jude is exhorting his readers to preserve the faith. The purpose of this conference was just that—equipping followers of Christ to answer the tough questions, raise up a confident next generation, and engage the marketplace with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
When our time comes we must be prepared to respond. I hope these videos are both an encouragement and a challenge as we learn to CONTEND for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.
BE PREPARED TO RESPOND
For God’s Glory,
Pastor Bob Erbig
About the Underground Sessions: If you are new with us, Underground Sessions is a live and online forum we hold several times a year where we discuss challenging and relevant issues in our world today. We do this with a spirit of grace and compassion while maintaining biblical faithfulness. Our events feature culturally relevant interviews with guest professionals specializing within the topic of discussion. Our chosen topics are often controversial. As such, we expect there will be aspects of disagreement. This is a good thing, as we hope we learn to disagree well. As you explore this web portal, we invite you to step into the tension as we create a space where respectful dialogue can happen, difficult topics addressed, and ultimately where Christ is exalted.
Session ONE
Mama Bear Apologetics
Full Conference – Session
Short Talk | Keynote | Interview |
TEASI CANNON (Keynote Speaker) The youngest and most vulnerable members of the Church are growing up in a society that is vastly different than the one in which many of us grew up. While unbiblical ideas aren’t new, their accessibility, volume, and frequency are. It’s been said we are navigating a battle of ideas, many of which strategically target the next generation of Christians, tossing them into an onslaught of animosity, skepticism, and sophisticated arguments that seek to demolish their faith. That’s where Mama Bears come in. And Papa Bears … and any Bears who love all our cubs and are willing to do what it takes to shore up our own faith so we can help them trust the authority of God’s Word, sort through the noise, and cling to the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Biography: Teasi is the author of Lord, Where’s My Calling, and contributor to Mama Bear Apologetics. She obtained her master’s degree in Pastoral Counseling from Liberty Theological Seminary. She is a confessed book addict who can’t get enough of apologetics and theology, and when she’s not spending time with her family, you can find her sitting on her favorite spot of the couch with a book in one hand and a hot mug of coffee in the other.
Session TWO
Cultural Apologetics
Full Conference – Session 2
Short Talk | Keynote | Interview |
PAUL GOULD (Keynote Speaker) Christianity has an image problem. No one wants to hear what we have to say. All too often our lives are fragmented and unlovely. And we generally don’t see the world any different than anyone else. As a result we’ve lost the Christian voice, the Christian conscience, and the Christian imagination. The gospel is often viewed as unreasonable or undesirable or both. In our time together we’ll explore this question: Given this cultural moment, with all its challenges, how can the gospel get a fair hearing? To answer our question, we took a look at Paul’s encounter with the Greeks in Athens and then applied our insights to this day and this age.
Biography: Paul is an Associate Professor of Philosophy of Religion and director of the M.A. Philosophy of Religion program at Palm Beach Atlantic University. Gould earned his doctorate in philosophy from Purdue University. He is the author or editor of ten scholarly and popular-level books including Cultural Apologetics, Philosophy: A Christian Introduction, and The Story of the Cosmos. He has been a visiting scholar at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School’s Henry Center.
Session THREE
Cultural Intelligence
Full Conference – Session
ShortTalk | Keynote | Interview |
DARRELL BOCK (Keynote Speaker) How do we have cultural intelligence in a culture that is so pluralistic and contentious? How we see the challenge will determine how we approach it. Our weekend gave a fresh biblical look at how we should see our engagement, especially with those who are not a part of the church. We have no theology of cultural engagement in the church and we need it. We hope to give you a way of approaching engagement that is biblical and practical by looking specifically at 6 core texts and also how to have difficult conversations.
Biography: Darrell is a Humboldt Scholar and an author of over 40 books, including well-regarded commentaries on Luke and Acts and studies of the historical Jesus, and works in cultural engagement as host of the seminary’s Table Podcasts. He was president of the Evangelical
Theological Society (ETS) from 2000 – 2001, served as a consulting editor for Christianity Today and serves on the boards of Wheaton College and Chosen People Ministries.
Underground
Saturday Evening Underground Sessions
Have you ever asked big questions about life but never received adequate answers? Meaning, suffering, faith, identity—we all wrestle to some extent. The Christian faith offers good answers to our questions, but we don’t always talk to the right people. On January 28th . Millington Baptist Church hosted an Underground Sessions event: “Answering the Toughest Questions.” If you are someone who has difficult questions about life and faith, but you haven’t gotten good answers—this group discussion, and an expert panel if for you.
Saturday Evening Full Session
Paul Gould Talk | Teasi Cannon Talk |
Darrell Bock Talk | Panel Discussion |
Sunday
Sunday Morning Services 9:00am & 10:45
On January 29, Paul Gould and Darrell Bock conclude the Contend conference in our Sunday morning services.
Paul Gould gives a sermon as a part of the Contend Conference entitled “Beauty in Exile” on Exodus 31:1-11. | Darrell Bock finishes our Conference with a message entitled “Difficult Conversations” based on James 1: 19-20. |
Breakout Sessions
Where's My Calling?
Suffering as an Opportunity
Reaching Muslims
Faith In the Workplace
Don’t Debate, Discuss
Reaching Buddhists
Where's My Calling?
Lord, Where’s My Calling?
Teasi Cannon:
This session focused on understanding the difference between a calling and your divinely designed purpose. Once we get this paradigm shift, it can change our life today and forever—as well as how we represent our faith to others.
Suffering as an Opportunity
Seeing Suffering as an Apologetic Opportunity
Pastor Bob & Amanda Erbig:
In this session we discussed how our suffering can be seen and used as an effective opportunity to point people to the hope we have in Christ.
Reaching Muslims
Evangelism to Muslims
Amoon Sharon:
In this session we discussed challenges, opportunities, and practical strategies on how to share our faith with Muslim neighbors.
Faith In the Workplace
Navigating Your Faith In The Workplace
Jesse Nash:
In this session we discussed how to fulfill the Great Commission through our interactions at the workplace.
Don’t Debate, Discuss
Don’t Have a Debate, Have a Discussion
Steven DiSebastian:
Sharing your faith can be difficult, especially in these contentious times. Learn to use a simple technique of asking questions to create spiritual conversations while defusing heated debates.
Reaching Buddhists
Sharing Christ with Tibetan Buddhists
Mark Avery:
In this session, we talked about sharing Jesus with a Tibetan Buddhist – a worldview that grew out of Hinduism and has deeply affected the global “new age” thinking as well as American culture today!
Video is available upon request.
Resources
- The Apologetics Study Bible.
- Bock, Darrell. Cultural Intelligence: Living For God In A Diverse, Pluralistic World.
- Cannon, Teasi. Lord, Where’s My Calling?
- Cannon, Teasi. My Big Bottom Blessing.
- Childers, Alisa. Live Your Truth And Other Lies.
- Childers, Alisa. Another Gospel.
- Crain, Natasha. Faithfully Different.
- Erbig, Bob & David Hentschel. A Beautiful Mess.
- Ferrer, Hillary Morgan, ed. Mama Bear Apologetics.
- Gould, Paul. Cultural Apologetics: Renewing The Christian Voice, Conscience, and Imagination in a Disenchanted World.
- Gould, Paul. A Good and True Story: Eleven Clues To Understand The Universe and Your Place In It.
- Gray, Stephanie. Love Unleashes Life: Abortion and the Art of Communication.
- Koukl, Greg. Tactics.
- Kruger, Michael. The Ten Commandments of Progressive Christianity.
- McDowell, Sean, ed. A New Kind of Apologist.
- Mittleberg, Mark. Contagious Faith.
- Morely, Brian. Mapping Apologetics.
- Trueman, Carl. Strange New World.
- Paul Gould: https://www.paul-gould.com/
- Two Tasks Institute: https://www.twotasksinstitute.org/
- Darrell Bock: http://darrellbock.com/
- Hendricks Center for Cultural Engagement: https://hendrickscenter.dts.edu/
- Teasi Cannon: https://www.teasicannon.com/
- Mama Bear Apologetics: https://mamabearapologetics.com/
- Women in Apologetics: https://womeninapologetics.com/
- The Colson Center for Christian Worldview: https://www.colsoncenter.org/
- The Table Podcast (Bock): https://voice.dts.edu/tablepodcast/
- The Eudo Podcast (Gould): https://www.twotasksinstitute.org/category/season-1/
- Think Biblically: https://www.biola.edu/blogs/think-biblically
- Mama Bear Apologetics: https://mamabearapologetics.com/listen/
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Welcome to the Underground
Welcome to the online web portal for our virtual Underground Sessions event, “ENTER EVENT NAME” If you are new with us, Underground Sessions is a live forum we hold several times a year where we discuss challenging and relevant issues in our world today. We do this with a spirit of grace and compassion while maintaining biblical faithfulness. Our events feature culturally relevant interviews with guest professionals specializing within the topic of discussion. Our chosen topics are often controversial. As such, we expect there will be aspects of disagreement. This is a good thing, as we hope we learn to disagree well. As you explore this web portal, we invite you to step into the tension as we create a space where respectful dialogue can happen, difficult topics addressed, and ultimately where Christ is exalted.
Event LIVE Stream
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EVENT AGENDA:
| Time | Topic |
| 6:15pm | Pre- Event Music and Countdown |
| 6:30pm | Welcome and Overview of Evening |
| 6:35pm | Audience Warm Up Activity |
| 6:45pm | Topic Intro and Table Discussion #1 |
| 6:50pm | KEYNOTE ADDRESS: Os Guinness |
| 7:10pm | Table Discussion #2 |
| 7:15pm | INTERVIEW: Bob Erbig and Os Guinness |
| 7:50pm | Table Discussion #3 + BREAK |
| 8:00pm | Audience Q & A |
| 8:25pm | Closing Remarks |
| 8:30pm | End of Event |
Resources
Books:
- Guinness, Os. Zero Hour America.
- Guinness, Os. Carpe Diem Redeemed.
- Guinness, Os.The Magna Carta of Humanity.
- Guinness, Os. The Call.
- Guinness, Os.The Great Quest.
- Mansfield, Stephen. The Search for God and Guinness.
Web Sites
Videos
About the speakers
Guest SpeakerOs Guinness
Os Guinness is an author and social critic. Great-great-great grandson of Arthur Guinness, the Dublin brewer, he was born in China in World War Two where his parents were medical missionaries. A witness to the climax of the Chinese revolution in 1949, he was expelled with many other foreigners in 1951 and returned to Europe where he was educated in England. He completed his undergraduate degree at the University of London and his D.Phil in the social sciences from Oriel College, Oxford. Os has written or edited more than thirty books, including The Call, Time for Truth, Unspeakable, A Free People’s Suicide, The Global Public Square, Last Call for Liberty, Carpe Diem Redeemed, and The Magna Carta of Humanity. His latest book is The Great Quest: Invitation to the Examined Life and a Sure Path to Meaning, published in 2022. Since moving to the United States in 1984, Os has been a Guest Scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Studies, a Guest Scholar and Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Senior Fellow at the Trinity Forum and the EastWest Institute in New York. He was the lead drafter of the Williamsburg Charter in 1988, a celebration of the bicentennial of the US Constitution, and later of “The Global Charter of Conscience,” which was published at the European Union Parliament in 2012. Os has spoken at many of the world’s major universities, and spoken widely to political and business conferences across the world. He lives with his wife Jenny in the Washington DC area.
ModeratorPastor Bob Erbig
Bob Erbig is the Lead Pastor for Preaching, Family, Life and Mission at Millington Baptist Church. Bob has a particular passion to equip Christians to engage culture and worldview issues. He oversees the Underground Sessions ministry and is always excited to have a good conversation on a challenging issue. Along with his co-pastor, Dave Hentschel, he is the author of the book A Beautiful Mess, which speaks to dysfunctional family issues in the OT book of Genesis. Bob received his Master of Divinity degree from Denver Seminary and has been married to his wife, Amanda, for 8 years and they have three children.
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